Ezku 12 hours ago

An interesting piece featured in the article: “Concept and Location Neurons in the Human Brain Provide the ‘What’ and ‘Where’ in Memory Formation”, Nature Communications 2024 (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-024-52295-5)

This wasn’t in the article, but I feel it makes for good background reading: “Universal Principles Justify the Existence of Concept Cells”, Scientific Reports 2020 (https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-020-64466-7)

observationist 7 hours ago

This is really cool - it's a relatively well known idea, but it's great to see it get refined and better understood. It's amazing how sparse the brain is; a single neuron can trigger a profound change in contextual relations, and play a critical role in how things get interpreted, remembered, predicted, or otherwise processed.

That single cell will have up to 10,000 features, and those features are implicitly processed; they're only activated if the semantic relevance of a particular feature surpasses some threshold of contribution to whatever it is you're thinking at a given moment. Each of those features is binary, either off or on at a given time t in processing. Compare this to artificial neural networks, where a particular notion or concept or idea is an embedding; if you had 10,000 features, each of those is activated and processed every pass. Attention and gating and routing and MoE get into sparsity and start moving artificial networks in the right direction, but they're still enormously clunky and inefficient compared to bio brains.

Implicit sparse distributed representation is how the brain can get to ~2% sparse activations, with rapid, precise, and deep learning of features in realtime, where learning one new thing can recontextualize huge swathes of knowledge.

These neurons also allow feats of memory, like learning the order of 10 decks of cards in 5 minutes, or reciting 1 million digits of pi, or cabbies learning "The Knowledge" and learning every street, road, sidwalk, alley, bridge, and other feature in London, able to traverse the terrain in their mind. It's wonderful that this knowledge is available to us, that the workings of our minds are becoming unveiled.

AIorNot 9 hours ago

Same concept in LLMs as referenced in this video by Chris Olah at Anthropic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1grxo1c/anthropics_...

also see: https://distill.pub/2021/multimodal-neurons/

  • aithrowawaycomm 8 hours ago

    The authors of the second piece specifically said this was not the same thing: the fact that they weakly fire for loosely-associated concepts is very different from (and ultimately shallower than) concept neurons:

      Looking to neuroscience, they might sound like “grandmother neurons,” but their associative nature distinguishes them from how many neuroscientists interpret that term. The term “concept neurons” has sometimes been used to describe biological neurons with similar properties, but this framing might encourage people to overinterpret these artificial neurons. Instead, the authors generally think of these neurons as being something like the visual version of a topic feature, activating for features we might expect to be similar in a word embedding.
    
    The "turtle+PhD" artificial neuron is a good example of this distinction: it is just pulling together loosely-related concepts of turtles and academia into one loose neuron, without actually being a coherent concept.
westurner 11 hours ago

skos:Concept RDFS Class: https://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/#concepts

schema:Thing: https://schema.org/Thing

atomspace:ConceptNode: https://wiki.opencog.org/w/Atom_types .. https://github.com/opencog/atomspace#examples-documentation-...

SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System > Concepts, ConceptScheme: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Knowledge_Organization_...

But temporal instability observed in repeat functional imaging studies indicates that functional localization constant: the regions of the brain that activate for a given cue vary over time.

From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42091934 :

> "Representational drift: Emerging theories for continual learning and experimental future directions" (2022) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095943882... :

>> Future work should characterize drift across brain regions, cell types, and learning.

  • svnt 10 hours ago

    The important part about the statements in the drift paper are the qualifiers:

    > Cells whose activity was previously correlated with environmental and behavioral variables are most frequently no longer active in response to the same variables weeks later. At the same time, a mostly new pool of neurons develops activity patterns correlated with these variables.

    “Most frequently” and “mostly new” —- this means that some neurons still fire across the weeks-long periods for the same activities, leaving plenty of potential space for concept cells.

    This doesn’t necessarily mean concept cells exist, but it does allow for the possibility of their existence.

    I also didn’t check which regions of the brain were evaluated in each concept, as it is likely they have some different characteristics at the neuron level.

    • westurner 7 hours ago

      So there's more stability in the electrovolt wave function of the brain than in the cellular activation pathways?